The OIC Controversy: Unveiling Corruption in Healthcare

In this video, Tucker Carlson interviews Cy Meadows, the founder of Tred, about a diabetes drug called OIC. Meadows raises concerns about the pharmaceutical industry’s corruption and the misguided focus on using drugs to manage obesity and other chronic conditions, rather than addressing root causes of metabolic dysfunction. He argues that OIC is problematic, highlighting its potential side effects, the financial incentives behind its promotion, and the influence of pharmaceutical companies on medical groups and the media. Meadows calls for a shift towards incentivizing better eating habits, exercise, and addressing the systemic issues contributing to the country’s metabolic health crisis.

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Key Insights:

  • OIC, a diabetes drug that can help people lose weight, is not a solution to obesity as it does not address the root cause of the problem, which is underlying metabolic dysfunction.
  • Obesity is just one branch of the tree of metabolic dysfunction that is plaguing the country, with high rates of pre-diabetes and diabetes impacting a significant portion of the population.
  • The healthcare industry, including pharmaceutical companies, medical groups, and the media, have been corrupted by financial incentives, leading to the promotion of drugs like OIC instead of addressing the underlying issues.
  • Corruption is pervasive in healthcare, with pharmaceutical companies funding medical research, bribing doctors, and even influencing civil rights groups and advocacy organizations to promote their products.
  • The US government’s food subsidies system and nutrition guidelines are heavily influenced by the food industry, leading to a lack of focus on supporting healthier food choices.
  • Obesity and other chronic conditions are profitable for the healthcare industry, as they require ongoing treatments, medications, and interventions.
  • The media’s role in reporting on healthcare issues is compromised by the significant advertising spending from pharmaceutical companies, leading to biased reporting and misinformation.
  • A shift in focus is needed, away from symptomatic treatments and towards addressing the root causes of chronic diseases, such as promoting healthier eating habits, exercise, and better farming practices.
  • Policies that restrict pharmaceutical advertising on TV news, prevent conflicts of interest in medical research, and incentivize doctors to prescribe food and exercise interventions could help address the corrupt system and promote better health outcomes.
  • The healthcare industry’s financial incentives need to be aligned with the goal of improving health instead of profiting from sickness.


You’d think less than two years after the very public failure of the covid vaccines that more people in this country would be skeptical of brand new Pharma products and maybe they are but they don’t seem very skeptical of OIC which is a diabetes drug that apparently at least in the short- term can help people lose weight and on one level you can see whether they’re not skeptical this is a very fat country that’s a huge problem and a lot of people a lot of us wouldn’t mind losing 20 PBS by taking a pill so why shouldn’t we well we thought it’d be interesting to hear the other side aside that you were not hearing on the question of OIC from someone who knows a lot about it Cy means is the founder of Tred he once worked for Pharma he definitely does not now and he joins us today in studio Kelly thanks so much for coming on pump to be your Tucker so you want to lose 20 and I’m speaking from experience you want to lose 20 pounds you don’t really want to stop eating pizza this seems like a super quick way to get healthier um why wouldn’t you take OIC why shouldn’t I take OIC there’s three big reasons OIC is very problematic and I think really the Rosetta Stone to understanding what’s gone wrong in healthcare and frankly Pharma industry corruption the first point I want to make is that if a fish tank is dirty you clean the tank you don’t drug the fish and in America right now so they won’t notice in America right now we’ve got a very dirty tank uh 50% of teens and 80% of adults are overweight and this has happened in just a generation we didn’t become systematically lazier in the past generation As Americans and frankly so idal um something has happened and the core mistake of OIC is that obesity is not an OIC deficiency obesity is not the root cause of the problem obesity is one branch of the tree of underlying metabolic dysfunction that’s ravaging our country um as we talked about with over 50% of Americans having pre-diabetes now 33% of of young ad adults most Americans have pre-diabetes oh it’s by some measures it’s up to 60% of the whole country of adults and 30 33% of young adults and teens and you have a diabetes doctor you know just a generation ago wouldn’t see one child in their entire careers uh with diabetes Now diabetes which which again is cellular dysfunction is cellular disruption um totally caused by environmental factors and what we’re eating that’s um that’s close to becoming right upwards of 50% of kids it’s 33% in growing radically um teens uh 25% have fatty liver disease which is something you only used to see in elderly alcoholics so there’s a there’s a metabolic Health crisis um that’s caused by decisions right the USDA which is completely corrupt the guidelines that set nutrition standards 95% of the guideline committees paid for by food companies they say that a two-year-old that 10% of their diet could be added sugar we have more money from agriculture subsidies in America today go to cigarettes go to Tobacco than vegetables 90% of subsidies go to highly processed food we’ve propped this industry up uh food stamps right which 15% of Americans depend on for nutrition 10% of all food stamps funding go to soda we’re the only country in the world that allows that so we have goes to soda goes to soda so the so the US government pays people to drink soda we the US government direct from the federal treasury more than 10 billion dollars per year go from the federal treasury to soda companies through the food stamp program the number one item purchased with food stamps in America is addictive diabetes water we prop that up with food stamps we talked about last time I actually used to work and consult with coch and we paid the NAACP and other groups to say it was racist to to take that away um we totally rigged the debate so through a corrupt system we actually subsidize soda we do 10 of these things right we use 10 easily identifiable things that are causing us frankly to be poisoned and instead of talking about the root cause we’re saying that a weekly injection that you have to take for your entire life that cost $20,000 per patient when 80% of American adults are overweight or obese we’re saying that is the answer for obesity um we have a dirty tank and Pharma has basically changed our consensus reality to say you know when all these things are happening all at once duude environmental factors Our Savior what we you do the math on $20,000 per patient 80% of American adults we’re talking and this is clear on Wall Street food stocks are going down farmer stocks are going up because this is they’re doing wheels on Wall Street this is on track because of government funding because we are stand to put trillions of government funding into this drug to be the most successful drug in American history so what wow um there’s a lot there but let me just get back to the individual decision to take or not to take this drug so you’re overweight you have pre-diabetes and your doctor says you know what you would say which is that’s a very serious thing to have just because it’s common doesn’t mean it’s not bad it is bad and this drug can cure it why wouldn’t you do that segue is really well into the second issue why Zig is so problematic so on a societal level you know I think anyone that agrees you know if you’re just just looking at this issue um you know putting everybody pumping everyone those zic for their lives isn’t the first thing you do to solve obesity but even if it was perfect even if it was right even if it was perfect but the problem is when you get to the individual level this drug medically is a absolute disaster medically medically it’s a disaster so all you need to know is that noo nordics the company that makes this drug recently passed lbmh to become the most valuable company in Europe so this this drug this company most valuable company in Europe they don’t allow this drug for obesity in Europe almost all of noble nordics revenue is coming from taking advantage of Americans this is not the first line of defense for obesity in any European country it’s not approved by the government Regulators they are saying on their stock calls that their all of their growth is coming from the US they’re taking advantage of a broken us system in the United States and when you dive into it even people in the United States who are getting Government funding Insurance funding for this drug don’t have to pay for it 30% of them go off the drug within three months so even though they’re fully being paid for and we’re being told this is a lifetime drug there’s lawsuits coming just reported in the past couple days on gastrointestinal issues and stomach paralysis the drug itself essentially is uh stomach paralysis um add what is stomach paralysis the the the the drug that what it does is essentially it it it sterilizes it stomach uh paralyzes your stomach um to to make you not be able to process food correctly and there’s studies now saying that that stomach paralysis the really uh messing with your ability to digest food actually stays after you go off the drug so there’s lawsuits now with people with severe gastrointestinal issues after coming off the drugs that’s being pronounced and that that’s coming out on lawsuits um additionally because of that you’re consistently seeing patients who go off the drugs uh gain the weight back so that that that’s almost I think universally accepted even by noan orics when you go off the drug you gain the weight back but again we’re seeing most people that take the drug within the first year come off it because the gastrointestinal issues the stomach issues are so pronounced Additionally the EU again where this company is based uh just launched a uh a probe into suicidal ideation caused by OIC you can’t even make this up but the EAS is doing a uh a massive probe because there’s so many reports of increased depression increased suicide now I was debating a Harvard doctor about six months ago and I I I brought this up because it’s kind of obvious uh your serotonin what produces your contemp and happiness 95% is made in the gut and again OIC essentially is gut dysfunction so when you mess with the serotonin and mess with the gut a lot of unexpected things happening and very understandably and really what’s to be expected is we’re actually seeing reports of a mass increase in mental health disorders and even suicidal ideation uh from OIC um you know kind of you just back up and ask you know this miracle drug is too good to be true it’s really coming through wait so you’re saying there could be a downside it’s not perfect 30% of people um but but I want to say this and and I’m a Libertarian you know I think uh people should be able to take OIC I think most drugs should be leg legal frankly um the problem is where the rubber really hits the road is there is an allout assault to convince us that this is the appropriate drug again this is the target market this is why the stocks are popping and why wall Street’s going crazy it’s the biggest Tam the biggest target market for any drug in American history it’s 80% of American adults uh but it’s being fast-tracked you wouldn’t believe this but the American Academy of Pediatrics recently said that they recommend this as a first line of defense for teens and the study basing that decision for the American Academy of Pediatrics to say that every obese overweight which is 50% should take this drug was a 68- we study we had a 68 we study for a lifetime recommendation to 50% of teens in America to to receive these injections so so I guess nothing would surprise me coming from the American Academy of Pediatrics which seems really like a vector for Badness yeah um given their performance during Co however you just still have to wonder H how did that happen that seems Reckless like how could a body like that which has some residual moral authorities because of its name how could they do that you are transitioning like perfectly uh into the third point which is that the reason I was zic I think is such a important story in America today is because it’s really again it’s it’s the Rosetta Stone of understanding corruption um our institutions particularly the healthcare industry uh has completely let us down and you just step back and think about it Pharma is the largest spender on TV new News ads it’s the largest spender Nova Nork specifically is the largest spender on foundational obesity research it’s the largest spender on U medical to Medical groups like The AAP it’s one of the largest um uh funders of actual civil rights groups so you actually can’t even believe this but Nova nordics is paying the NAACP to say that not supporting OIC is a civil rights issue so you’re racist if you’re against giving kids a diabetes drug it’s on the NAACP website and the NAACP is a registered lobbyist for OIC saying that you are a racist because there’s disproportionate issues uh with obesity in certain communities that you’re a racist for not supporting Government funding for OIC of course and the NCP takes money from the drug maker they’re registered lobbyist for the drug maker how can the NAACP be registered lobbyist for they have a lobbying organization they have to declare who their lobbying clients are and as a reported in NPR very recently they are registered as a lobbyist for Novo Nordic and on their website they’re saying it is uh example of systemic racism to not support Federal funding for OIC so this is what I saw working for Pharma you just have to ask who people trust people trust the medical groups they trust civil rights groups they trust the media you have a situation where uh ially Nova nordics and this is reported has given $30 million in direct bribes to obesity doctors you would be hardpressed to find a doctor who treats obesity in this country who has not received some kind of donation not not research grants but direct Consulting grants from Novo which is sending them cash exactly so how can doctors take cash from drug makers oh this this is this is you know you watch uh things about the opioid crisis and how the opioid uh completes the same Playbook you know I actually when I was working for farma the opioid crisis uh was in full effect and there was a panel in 2012 and the panel was full of outside experts recommending guidance an opioids the head of that panel was a man named Dr Philip piso Who is the dean of Stanford med school at the time he was a pain specialist at the moment he was opponent to that panel Stanford received a grant from fizer who’s one of the largest opid makers of $3 million for pain research he appointed 90% of that panel who are also conflicted who receive direct research and personal Consulting fees from obid makers and they released relaxed opioid standards this is exactly what’s happening in obesity you have Dr Fatima Stanford the head of obesity research at Harvard paid tens of thousands of dollars by Nova nordics just started a new directly directly direct no not not to mention of course millions of dollars of research grants she’s been paid tens of thousands of dollars how can Harvard allow that there there are no conflict of interest rules in medicine Harvard uh is supporting her and the NIH recently it came out that 8,000 uh research grants went to University professors who also have a direct conflict of interest uh with the topic in the drug their studying how can the doc I mean how can you be a physician even a teaching physician and and do that I mean that’s so obviously unethical it’s so obvious it’s it’s so uh omnipresent that this isn’t it isn’t disgusted I mean you you’re saying this like it’s obvious it’s manifestly obvious you hear this most Americans are outraged this is like you know you’re swimming in water you don’t realize you’re in water this is how Academia is the food industry if you know taking it to food which is making it sick spends 11 times more on foundational nutrition research than than the NIH Pharma is the lifeblood right of foundational scientific research in this country and then you get to the nah of course it’s a revolving door between government and and Industry um and the vast majority of nah grants go to farma research so so the NH is basically a grantmaking organization and this is just statistical almost all going to research that has conflicts of interest with pharmaceutical drugs the problem here is that every institution all these institutions fundamentally make more money when we’re sick OIC doesn’t cure obesity it manages obesity for life and that’s a problem statens don’t I’m sorry I should have asked at the you made a couple references to it for life is that as advertised oh no no that’s inst if I sign up for OIC tomorrow the physician will tell me you got to take this forever those are the instructions yes they admit that there’s unknown metabolic problems if you go off that that that’s that’s that’s um that’s on the box no no this is a lifetime injection the key thing here Tucker and and getting the corruption right you’re paying off the doctors you’re paying off the medical groups 50% of TV news funding I mean you know I I I think it’s I’ve seen it yeah and and you know there’s rfk’s talked about this back in the day with Roger ales when you’re when 50% of your bills speak in the choir but 50% of your bills are paid by um a certain interest why didn’t the news media have any curiosity during Co why people were dying of covid metabolically healthy people weren’t dying of Co this is where the corruption and really were all ties together I’m sure we will you describe that in a little more detail we had probably the biggest event in American history since World War II where we shut down the country yes where we really I think showed our weakness uh just physically and mentally As Americans you know American covid debts were substantially higher uh than other countries and research you know it’s not argued has come out saying that that that Co was a foodborn illness um dying of Co was a foodborn illness if you were metabolically healthy if you had stable cholesterol stable fasting glucose weren’t obese you didn’t die of Co um Co disproportionately overwhelmingly even among older people affected people with comorbidities and we are a lot sicker in America and the comorbidities were caused by eating bad food mostly Co morbidities are obesity heart disease diabetes those are the main C morbidities that so if if you did not have those you were essentially not impacted by Co and had almost 0% chance of dying of covid so the media though right who’s heavily funded by pharmaceutical companies didn’t have any curiosity about that didn’t have any curiosity maybe this is a 911 moment that we’re not at our best in as America right we are a sick depressed infertile population sperm count is down 50% in just the past generation 25% of women now have PCOS the leading cost of infertility we are having trouble reproducing as a species and these are all connected and and there was a moment to talk about this but instead the media the government institutions who are paid by Pharma pushed a pharmaceutical uh solution with trillions of dollars of airtime uh as as the solution to our crisis th this was one of the greatest public policy mistakes in American history what after coming off of the worst public policy failure I I think one of the one of the worst in American history with the covid response on every level you know keeping the bars open and shutting down the schools um to to pushing an effective pharmaceutical ction instead of root cause Solutions we’re being asked to trust Pharma when 80% of the American people their bodies are like rebelling against them um with obesity which are clearly a sign of of underlying issues where OIC and daily you know weekly shots is not the root cause this this just on its face doesn’t make sense and then you trace the Corruptions again OIC is paying off everyone they are one of the five largest funders the company itself one of the five largest funders of News ads one of the you know top research funders of obesity research largest funders to university on the Obesity topic and and the thing i‘ you know kind of kind of ram home here Tucker is you just have to look where the money is so if you actually look at the analyst reports that are propping up these stocks they’re assuming an increase in obesity so you talk about all the like the Nova norc’s largest company uh in Europe they literally in in the where the money hits the road where people are investing millions of dollars they’re assuming increased rates of obesity over the next 10 years in America you actually I was talking to a a doctor at Harvard uh you know they’re underwriting a loan for a new obesity Center where they can they can treat an ISU OIC those loans have projections for growth of obesity they’re not projecting that increased o zipic is going to decrease obesity the loans that are underpinning these medical centers you go to any any city in the country the biggest most beautiful building is is you know some kind of new pediatric you know obesity Center or Cardiology Center um the the loans assume increased rates of conditions so fundamentally we have the largest eny in the Country Healthcare not asking imagine the leader saying how do we reverse obese how do we cure they’re not asking that they’re saying how can we actually say obesity is not your fault Oprah Who’s involved with rate Weight Watchers just apologized for preaching personal accountability over the past decades she said it’s not personal accountability we’re supporting OIC th this is becoming obesity is becoming something do you think opr got paid she she’s highly involved with Weight Watchers yeah Weight Watchers has shifted from a personal accountability organization that it’s been um preaching for decades and is now a prescriber of OIC they’ve totally changed because OIC is a better business model because you never go off it this is insane so maybe one of the reasons this is um accepted people don’t see it as totally crazy as I do I don’t take Advil so I all of this seems crazy to me but the average say 65y old person in this country is on how many drugs the about seven seven yeah and not just intermittently but like over years 90 90 plus uh percent of funding for medicine dollars is around chronic lifetime so it’s more recurring Revenue so describe what that looks like like the scale of it yeah I think I think again we’re so desensitized to this we don’t understand how crazy how much of a failure it’s been well I’ll give you an example my mom so my mom was 71 and went you know for a checkup and was told uh by the doctor she was healthy and she was actually at the time on seven um lifetime medications so she was on you know maybe a decade before had high cholesterol was prescribed to Statin and the message from the doctor was no problem most you know the majority almost of people your age are h a St no problem that’s a write a passage then she had high fasting glucose again that’s that’s basically pre-diabetes which majority of people have metformin one of the most prescribed drugs in the country high blood pressure so she has these comorbidities that are almost seen as like rights of Passage you know it’s a write a passage for for a man over 40 to be on a stat and the majority are um so so these were all kind of normal things so as we’ve treated everything in silos that’s a lie heart disease diabetes in many ways depression Alzheimer’s the they’re they’re branches of the same tree they’re we’ve actually lied uh saying those are different conditions seeing four different doctors for four different treatments that don’t even talk to each other so we’re we’re managing the symptoms instead of seeing those symptoms as a gift and realizing that we have a root cause metabolic crisis that’s why the more stands we prescrib the more heart disease goes up the more metform we prescrib the more diabetes goes up the more SSR we prescribe which are now 25% of women the higher the suicide rate goes we we’re seeing Skyrock so so we’re siloing everything and literally wait I’m there’s so many questions so 25% of women are on ssris we have a societal Dynamic where 25% of women in the United States are on a medication and I’m not just flatly anti-drug but this is a social Dynamic Tucker we have 25% of women taking something that fundamentally numbs you out from reality um and and we don’t even blink an eye at that and depression mental health disorders anxiety suici suicide is now the second leading cause of death for young adults um ssris are after drug after drug OD yeah and which which I think could be related and um SSRI you talk to any high schooler now and looking in it’s the first line of defense I mean it is prescribed like candy when to children oh yes ssris oh oh SSRI prescription rates are skyrocketing among teens you talked to any high school counselor any anyone in any High School this is the first line of defense when a child I would never talk to a high school counselor C well that’s that’s very smart um but um yeah they they’re Skyrocket among kids and there’s actually a black box warning on uh ssri’s label actually saying that it increases suicidal ideation among children and they’re widely prescribed to children not to mention the fact that 20% of high school seniors are on essentially methamphetamines Aderall uh which if you read the book blitzed um actually uh traces the history was Aderall was developed by Nazi Germany as a tool for Nazi soldiers to be more aggressive and now is prescribed widely along with ssris to to kids oh um one thing I’m trying to keep track of everything you’re saying uh all of which is checkable I assume on the internet um Staten drugs are prescribed to the majority of American men over 40 the last rate I think I think 2019 uh the last study I said was 45% and I think there’s reports that now postco it’s it’s it’s it’s it’s close to 50% so what’s the downside of statin drugs oh there’s wild research coming out I mean the high the highest level just even if the drugs don’t have no side effects heart disease isn’t a Statin deficiency what statens to me at the most important level represent that we have a moral hazard right fundamentally when you prescribed that Staten you’re told by the doctor that you’re doing something when you prescribed the OIC the doctor Fatima Stanford on 60 Minutes who’s you know paid off doctor from o zipic said throw willpower out the window this is a brain disease food isn’t the problem it’s a medical issue take o zimic do not worry about what you’re eating this is exactly what Purdue Pharma said about pain yeah so you have so you have these messages you have the statens you’re doing something you now can eat what you want to eat you you wouldn’t even believe this but in until uh 2018 and Dr Robert lustig who’s a hero of mine has pointed this out an indocin at uh UCSF the American Diabetes Association said that as long as you take your your medications you do not need to change your diet as a diabetic so you literally have guidance from the American Heart Association from the American Diabetes Association now from the Obesity industrial complex saying that if you take these drugs you you’re good but that’s a lie because there’s never been a drug in American history for a chronic condition that has lowered the rate of that chronic condition what’s the cost of all that just diabetes Well with diabetes um this is the root cause again it’s a misnomer to see this as an isolated condition Almost 100% of people with Alzheimer’s have pre-diabetes or or diabetes diabetes is one of the seriously Alzheimer’s is now called type three diabetes the most highest indicator you can have for Dementia or Alzheimer’s is some kind of blood sugar disregulation if you have normal fasting glucose levels your chance of having any type of dementia is very very low uh dementia is is high highly tied again I don’t even like the word using the word diabetes our cells diabetes is cellular disregulation caused by our environment or food um again the majority of people in this country have some form of of that happening inside their bodies because our environment and this is unprecedented so diabetes is really the root cause but if you just take diabetes you know this is this is one of the biggest line items in the US budget um we’re spending if you add up all the line items we were spending on healthare just just to manage diabetes it’s more than the defense budget um what’s we spend the U US Government spends more managing diabetes than it does on defense what what is going if you want to Stack rank what’s what would bring down the American Republic it’s not you know marginal rates of military spending it’s not you know what the marginal tax rate is it it it our biggest line item in our budget the biggest part of our economy is Healthcare and it’s also the fastest growing industry Healthcare is the largest and the fastest growing industry in the United States the bulk of that spending is coming from government and as it grows it produces worse results it is not slowing down it’s going to be 40% of the budget and about 15 years and it’s only growing there’s nothing stopping this trend and as that’s happening we’re becoming an infertile depressed sicker population at an almost exponential rate we’re going to cease to exist as a country because we let that happen and you look at the budget and you look what’s really going to destroy the budget in in in our country defenses defense is a small part of it it is health care costs it is it is metabolic dysfunction and is diabetes the biggest di diabetes and pre-diabetes is is the root of almost everything you don’t you you have very few people with heart disease with many forms of cancer with dementia with all these this is this is the lie that’s being told when my sister graduated Stanford Medical School she had to choose between 42 Specialties she she was ahead a next surgeon then the fellowship was going to to to to be even a smaller part of the body 1 Mill of the of the that’s what doctors devote their lives to like little literally that’s a lie that’s a lie when she was cutting out s sinus inflammation right she looked at a patient’s report they had 60 Pages they had pre-diabetes they had depression they had heart issues she didn’t speak to those doctors and she was never trained how the inflammation that she’s cutting someone’s face open and taking out not once at Stanford bed school was she trained or even brought up why that person has inflammation in the first place that surgery you know Medicaid will pay $20,000 for that along with all the other comes the patient has we’re training doctors Right medical schools Pharma companies hospitals doctors nurses insurance companies they make money when people are sicker for longer periods of time the way to do that is to Silo conditions that’s what that’s why OIC is so important because obesity is not a siloed condition obesity is a visible example that we are losing our way as Americans and treating that in a silo is just medically not going to work and it’s happening because of corruption so but it is and yeah I should say agree with everything but even if I disagree it doesn’t matter I would say OIC is a response to an actual problem you conceded that so if OIC isn’t the answer what is if you were an alien that came down to earth and saw what’s happening in America and I want to make this clear it’s happening specifically in America I mean our obesity rate diabetes rate um heart disease rate um it’s it’s it’s multiples more than some European countries and Japan countries like that there’s something unique happening uh with the environment in America and if you came down an alien that was smart that kind of you know had a veil of ignorance and looked around and you saw 80% of a Americans consuming such toxic things in their environment that their bodies are literally cellular is the visible result of cellular disregulation obesity is literally the cells crying out for help and showing that they’re disregulated which is represents stuff happening invisibly in the body such as all the chronic conditions we’ve talked about if you look at that happening highly related to mental health disorders highly related infertility all connected you would never say let’s keep everyone sick and give them marginal drugs you would just never do that we have been completely gaslighted by Pharma you know Elon who I I I you know I think is the most America in the country but has recently said these drugs are good I think it’s it’s a little bit unlike him because we’re not analyzing the problem and assessing what the root cause solution is I think we’ve frankly been we’ve changed our reality we’ve changed our our perception of kind of what reality is based on Pharma thinking that these marginal tools and we’ve lost our way right the the the the the the drug for every condition in ASO State hasn’t worked we’re all getting sicker we’ve totally lost our way Peter Tia pointed out that if you control uh for infectious diseases you know and acute things that would kill you right away life expectancy really hasn’t grown in the past hundred years um what the Almost 100% of life expectancy increase which we all Herald I is a cute issues things that would have killed you right away childhood mortality if you actually um chronic polio appendicite all that stuff and um so we actually have really lost our way and if there’s one moment to kind of as a country say can we change course a little bit it’s this because this is the biggest issue this is 80% of Americans it is going to just do the math in America when drugs are prescribed widely costs don’t go dow